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SO here I am stuck in the UK and DESPERATE to do a Voodoo themed number for my next solo, I have already ruled out the theme tune to Live and Let Die by Paul McCartney, unless anyone knows of a cooler more macabre version out there. I am thinking full blown Baron Samedi , scare the hell out of em but cool and stylish. SO no fake blood rubber snakes etc,
I am looking for either ideas or resources for Costume, music, makeup and props. I like the feel of the crescendo (bad spelling) and musical pyro of Live and Let Die but want something edgier
Any help gratefully received x
I am looking for either ideas or resources for Costume, music, makeup and props. I like the feel of the crescendo (bad spelling) and musical pyro of Live and Let Die but want something edgier
Any help gratefully received x
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Re: Need help with a Voodoo inspired solo
Mon, July 6, 2009 - 11:40 AMOne thing that really comes to mind right now is the documentary 'Divine Horsemen' by Maya Daren. It deals with Voodoo in Hati, and not only does it give a good feel for the music involved but it shows a lot of the dances that are part of the different rituals.
I'm a religious studies major and I have a lot of info left over from a class I took last semester about Voodoo so I'll go through it. There were a lot of pictures and such, I'll get back to you later today about it. -
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Re: Need help with a Voodoo inspired solo
Mon, July 6, 2009 - 11:58 AMHere's a link to the first part of the documentary on youtube. I hope this helps.
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Mon, July 6, 2009 - 2:26 PMThanks a lot x
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Re: Need help with a Voodoo inspired solo
Thu, July 16, 2009 - 12:59 PMI love Maya Daren. I have the book which is an awesome read. Maya was spirit ridden by the loa Erzulie. Think ritual possession like there is a being inside you commanding your movements and you are swept up by the power.
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Re: Need help with a Voodoo inspired solo
Mon, July 6, 2009 - 3:58 PMThere is a really neat dance that Shakra does on the Revelations DVD, I thought it was very Baron Samedi when I saw it. It was *really* good.
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Then there is also Grande Brigitte that you could aspect (loosely of course) with french music, something modern maybe, tattered lace veil over a top hat... some granny boots... etc.
That sound like a fun project!
And I second the Divine Horsemen!
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Re: Need help with a Voodoo inspired solo
Mon, July 6, 2009 - 9:50 PMVoodoo is a religion. So caveat emptor: there's a chance a girl could stir something [or someone] up. Also tobacco and libations are part of the dance. Though for some bellydancers that's nothing new...
In any case, you may want to look at some youtube videos, keywords "Katherine Dunham", "Shango" and "Orisha dance".
www.youtube.com/watch
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Re: Need help with a Voodoo inspired solo
Mon, July 6, 2009 - 9:57 PMThis is very true. That's why it's important to do research, be respectful, and perhaps say something before hand, that states this is an artistic piece for which research was done, and the utmost respect to the religion and it's practitioners, so on and so forth.
Some people may not be appeased by something like that, but in the same vein there are people who will get offended over virtually anything. -
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Tue, July 7, 2009 - 12:04 AMOh yes very conscious of the Voodoo relgion aspect of it. I read tarot so am very aware of that area of the realm of being for want of a better term. Thanks for the references ladies. I am taking a trance dance workshop later this year so hoping I may be able to draw from that too -
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Re: Need help with a Voodoo inspired solo
Tue, July 7, 2009 - 4:25 PMWear whites! <3
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Re: Need help with a Voodoo inspired solo
Thu, July 9, 2009 - 2:57 PMZee, if you go for Brigitte, try to wear black or black/purple. Lace is good (like a tattered victorian thing) The movie Skeleton Key has some special features on the DVD with voodoo practitioners talking; that may help inspire you.
I'm sure you realize that Brigitte and teh Baron are Guede? (I don't mean that to sound snotty) So do a little research to see what their attributes are, 'cause you might attract their attention. -
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Re: Need help with a Voodoo inspired solo
Thu, July 9, 2009 - 2:58 PMHmmm...if you are involving trance dance, you may also want to learn a bit about "being ridden by the loa (lwa)" as you may want to avoid having it happen while you are dancing. -
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Fri, July 10, 2009 - 9:03 PMWhile it could happen, the possibility is fairly low, and from what I understand very few people get fully mounted on the first experience, since it's something that needs to be recognized and submitted too. Also with out certain other aspects of Voodoo ritual being observed the chances are even lower. Definitely is something to be conscious of though.
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Re: Need help with a Voodoo inspired solo
Fri, July 10, 2009 - 8:45 PMI agree with Muse ... you may want to pour a libation before you start to dance. Someone else suggested white for the costuming ... but for Baron Samedi (if that's the direction you really want to go), you might want to think top hat, tux and sunglasses with one lens punched out (to see into the other world with).
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Re: Need help with a Voodoo inspired solo
Fri, July 10, 2009 - 8:42 PMThere's vodoun music out there ... maybe you could find some authentic music to inspire you? -
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Mon, July 13, 2009 - 10:41 AMHey ladies, thie project is prooving really interesting. Have read about the Guede part yep. Really enjoying the research Brigette and purple ooo now I am a purple girl - hmmm -
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Re: Need help with a Voodoo inspired solo
Mon, July 13, 2009 - 2:02 PMYes, there are recordings of drumming from vodoun ceremonies. -
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Thu, July 16, 2009 - 10:33 AMSo idea is morphing. Having found this gorgeous couple of songs by Vermillion Lies its heading towards French New Orleans with a hint of Voodoo in the costume
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Re: Need help with a Voodoo inspired solo
Tue, July 21, 2009 - 7:46 AMOh no. Please don't use the actual ritual music. That's a huge taboo.
~*Spoon*~
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Re: Need help with a Voodoo inspired solo
Tue, July 21, 2009 - 7:45 AMI don't know if this info is coming too late. I just read your post today so I'm a little behind. I wrote a blog about this almost a year ago, the blog touches on general themes in ritual dance and how to respectfully put it into a performance setting. I was mainly thinking about Zar, Santeria and Tarantella but the ideas covered work just as well for Voudoun. I think your musical choices sound great. Music is really, really important. And I also liked Trista's recommendation for wearing black lace. Be Ghede-like, not like Ghede. You just want a hint, less is more. .
Yours,
~*Spoonie*~
www.transcendentaldance.com
"August 12th, 2008 Blog Post from Tribe by PoisonedSpoon
Recommendations for Stage Trance Presentations
Yesterday's blog was rather off the cuff but it made me think a little bit and I wanted to continue along that vein today. Now I am not "Lord of the Trance" so I don't have any official say in this but I like to think that my extensive work in the transcendental arts counts for something. Essentially this is just a collection of my personal recommendations and not some kind of mandate from on high.
Not everybody understands the traditional divisions of trance and their relationship to the secular arts so here is a quick reference.
1) At the bottom we have basic trance which is trance without a purpose, this type of trance can be put on stage but I rarely find it attractive enough to do so. This would include mourning dances, rites of passage, holiday celebrations and things of that nature. I've seen Delilah do a lot of nice stage trance; she's actually one of the few people I've ever met who looks good when trancing.
2) Next up the chain we have magical trance. This wavers in sacred nature from person to person as some people place a higher value in magical operations than others. It can be put on stage but I don't know why it would be or what an audience would get out of it. It is one thing to observe it happening and another to have it on display for a traditional audience; I'm pretty sure that something would be lost in the translation. This would include healing dances, weather dances, spiral dances and anything with a basic externally focused intent.
3) The third tier is the first of the ecstatic dances; these are your possession dances of which Zar definitely qualifies. Putting it on stage has a very real potential for mocking the process because it subconsciously alters the spiritual associations of the ritual. It really is the vocalization of the music that is the most significant; so long as the vocalizations are left out then I see no problem with a respectful stage presentation. When you start putting spiritual dances on stage out of context you really begin the death process for that particular tradition because these are primarily experiential traditions; there is no book of knowledge that accompanies them so the hypnotic and verbal associations of these dances are very important and have to remain intact for the next generation. If you remove the spiritual context then that sets off an avalanche of disrespect. Take a look at what happened to Flamenco and Tarantella once the spiritual associations were knocked off balance when the performances shifted from experiential to performance arts.
4) The top tier is also a form of possession or communion dance which puts it into the category of ecstatic dance. The difference between this and number 3 is that this is not a form of dance wherein the dancer is possessed by the English/common equivalent of a ghost, an angel or a demon. In this case the dancer is infused with the pure spirit of the divine (or as much of it as the dancer's body can handle without going catatonic). This is a very personal thing; not meant for the public at all. The keeping of the sacred context is paramount to the continuation of a sacred dance tradition. One of the most genius things I have ever seen is the purposeful split between the Zikir and the Tanoura. This allows spectators to watch something similar but it also completely separates the arts and gives a secular form to public performance and keeps the holy form to appropriate forums.
Whirling ~ Whirling is not inherently a devotional act; it greatly depends on the context that it is presented in. It is not the movement that is sacred, it is actually more the sound of the chanting and the specific words used in those chants. Keep the religious chants out of it and it becomes beautifully secular.
Hair Tossing ~ Hair tossing is a PTD (preferred technique of descent) for some people in multiple trance traditions (the dance of Damballa [Yonwalu] uses it, I use it from time to time with Ecstasia, it is performed in Sufi ritual and just about any other trance tradition I can think of with only a few exceptions); it is just a basic trance movement that is easily recognizable to a large number of people. In most transcendental traditions the head circles do not constitute the whole of the dance, just the beginning. If you do it right you will drop into a trance unless you force yourself not to; it is a very powerful technique and there is a very good reason that it's use is so widespread. The movement itself is not sacred, it just indicates that something mystical is happening on stage when presented in performance dance.
Head Bobbing ~ This is another PTD technique and it really varies between person to person. Determining its meaning really depends on the manner in which it is presented. It could have a lot of meanings depending on what the dancer is wearing and what he/she is dancing to. Like I have already said... keep it light and don't use sacred chant
What to Wear ~ I know a dancer or musician means serious business when they are wearing all one color. If you are presenting a trance type performance dance then you will want to avoid the color black at all costs (unless you are presenting a mourning dance) because it does not simply imply death; it represents disease, decay, murder, leprous festering bacteria ridden miasma of all things foul. Trance dancers do not wear this color unless they are doing something very specific and generally very bad. (Or unless they have no idea what they're doing...) Solid white is a good color; representing purity, marriage and spiritual neutrality. (So if you actually do trance or value the traditions of trance you will probably want to wear this color.) Solid red is another good color; it represents things that are a bit more playful, neither good nor evil. Solid blue is great if you want to represent something more romantic, transcendental concepts of love and sex are represented by blue.
Beyond that there's no need for a person on the outside of a trance tradition to get any deeper; just know that all colors have a meaning and even subtle changes in music have a meaning. The movements of the dances invoke a sort of feeling from the audience when you're doing a stage presentation and that is why these movements are used so frequently. I'm really directing this towards the belly dance community so just be aware that there are other alterations and things to be made depending on the type of trance tradition you are representing on stage.
Less is more. When I see these things on stage I just want to see a hint of it and not a full ritual-play. I loved the Tanoura guy that I posted a link of in my last blog because he was dancing to pop music and he made absolutely no pretensions about what he was there to do (entertain). I like Jillina's seated hair tossing interludes because they give a hint of it without going overboard. Arish Lamm scared the crap out of me with his troupe's performance at Spirit of the Tribes because they did put on the whole pageant; they did truck out a painting of the Virgin and dance clad in all white in front of it complete with head shaking and pantomime exorcism. (No disrespect to Arish Lamm, I loved the performance I just wasn't expecting it so I wasn't in the right headspace.) I never want to see anything like that from people who don't actually belong to a transcendental tradition because there are too many opportunities to screw up. I would believe that Arish Lamm or at least a few people in his group do belong to a transcendental spirituality and so in the end I was ok but I bit my nails through the whole thing waiting for the big blasphemy to show itself. If I were at a show where I expected to see a lot of religious and spiritual dances on display it would have been different; I would have started out expecting that everybody involved would know what they were doing but at a belly dance show I didn't know what to expect. It is hard for me to relax and appreciate the performance in scenarios like that because I am an ecstatic dancer and these things are very real and very serious to me. It has to be the right sort of venue, context and presentation for me to not squirm in my chair agonizing as to if these people are going to piss off ______ spirit by mocking his/her/its ceremonies.
The same thing goes for when I hear the music and chants set to normal belly dance. It causes my brain to sputter because I have the strong hypnotic associations that tell me when I hear X music that Y is going to happen. And if Y doesn't happen then it screws with my head. Also if I hear trance music that I've been trained to drop to... I will feel my knees buckle as I try to walk away. I don't think that non trance artists appreciate what 14 years of transcendental training will do to your body and mind or how fast an experienced trance dancer can drop. It might take a baby dancer a good 20 minutes to drop but I can hit evocare in about 30 seconds and drop into a trance under the right circumstances in under 5. So disrespecting the music is a really bad idea. I did actually trance out while sitting in my chair watching a Kassar performance because of the music. I laughed about it when it was over because I didn't see it coming; I'm just glad I wasn't standing at the time.
These are just some things I think performance artists should keep in mind when it comes to performing stage trance." -
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Re: Need help with a Voodoo inspired solo
Thu, July 23, 2009 - 12:39 PMWhat she said.
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Re: Need help with a Voodoo inspired solo
Sat, August 1, 2009 - 5:28 PMI have a voodoo dubstep track on my new release coming out in september - my side project, Darkened
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Mon, August 3, 2009 - 12:14 PMNope Maduro it will be end of November probably before I do it. Maybe I shud dance on the video for the new track - lol kidding
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Mon, August 3, 2009 - 8:00 PMOoooooh... you tease. -
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Mon, August 3, 2009 - 11:18 PMNah no tease, Maduro's fine lady is better than I will ever be by a million zillion miles . I am way too old to dance in someones video anyway lol
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